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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number 765 for the 4th of June

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2023 Richard Saunders coming to you from

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near San Francisco

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coming up on this week's Show Adrian

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Hill speaks to someone who very much

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impressed me when I saw her talk in

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at the week in reason conference

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Courtney heard

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and Courtney spoke about the dangers the

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real dangers of Q Anon as they tear

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families apart with their ridiculous

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conspiracy theories because Courtney

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knows this first hand

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a very important interview coming up at

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the top of the show with Courtney heard

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following that another important

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interview of course Susan gubick speaks

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to Greg Grove from the Santa Cruz County

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Skeptics they're about to do a day trip

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and if you're in that general area you

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might want to tag along I wish I could

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tag along they're going to a Mystery

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Spot sounds like a lot of fun then it's

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the Australian Skeptics newsletter

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written by Tim Mendham and read of

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course once again from Skookum Studios

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by Adrian Hill then to round off the

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show it's back to the Trove archives

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looking at mysterious India snake

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charming and healings and more written

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in the early part of last century and

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the late part of the century before bear

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that in mind when you hear some of the

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terminology used at the time of course

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of days I'll be making my way back to

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the airport to fly home to Sydney

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Australia and if you've recently

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received a family member who's come back

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from a long trip overseas possibly with

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Tales to tell I'm thinking about you

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have some oh Shredded

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with Adrian Hill

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Canada and today I'm talking to Courtney

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heard she is the host of The Cue drops

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podcast and is from Summerlin BC which

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is located along the shores of Lake

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Okanagan the home of the infamous Oco

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Pogo but today we won't be talking about

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the lake monster we're going to be

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talking about her personal association

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I'm here with Courtney heard and we met

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at the Western Canadian reason

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conference here in Calgary at the

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beginning of May and you gave a very

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compelling talk Courtney in fact while

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you were talking Richard Saunders passed

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me a note saying we need to interview

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you for the skeptic Zone and I'm so

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thrilled you've agreed to join me here

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so welcome Courtney thank you so much

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for having me so can you briefly

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describe what your talk was about at the

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conference yeah it was well I titled it

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it's not just a difference of opinion

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because I have a podcast called The Cue

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dropped podcast where we interview

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people who have lost somebody in some

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way or another to conspiracy theories so

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my parents ended up going down this

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rabbit hole and I have we say lost them

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that begins a process of grief and it's

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very challenging to deal with and in my

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the situation they'll comment and

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they'll say I don't understand how

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people can cannot just coexist with a

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difference of opinion and and I have to

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explain often that this isn't just a

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difference of opinion that it goes much

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much deeper than that and it has caused

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it's caused physical harm it's caused

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extensive emotional damage it's ended

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marriages and it's just it's not just a

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able to see the grandchildren because he

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vaccinated before or everybody who could

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be vaccinated was vaccinated before we

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conspiracy theories about the vaccine

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talk that this was also a Canadian issue

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of the world oh I didn't know that bit

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and stuff until you realize that there

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institutions don't exist anymore like

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the CRA and all this stuff so she's

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movement do you know it's absolutely

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population of Q Anon Believers after the

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us and that made me upset because I was

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thinking you know if things just keep

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getting crazier here we could always

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the war the the second world war that

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Germany behind the Berlin wall and that

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inherently they distrusted Authority

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them not trusting you know the the big

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trust anything and so it's LED them down

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this path of Q Anon so Germany's a very

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unique situation but we've also there's

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the UK it's big and there's yeah it's

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crazy and is there one particular story

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that you would consider to be the most

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these conspiracy theories lead to very

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unusual things constantly but one of the

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ones that really stood out to me we

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didn't actually get to interview this

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person but I told their story anyway

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casualties subreddit it was a boy who

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had survived the Marjory Stoneman

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Douglas shooting and he posted on this

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was accusing him of being a crisis actor

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lying about this shooting ever taking

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um and that this trauma that was very

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real for this and and this person was a

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him that that this trauma that he's

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going through the greatest trauma of his

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life was not real he witnessed his

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friends die in front of him and his

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father's telling him you're lying about

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this wow that one was very

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upsetting to read about and very hard to

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to relay that story but we just

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interviewed somebody recently and as of

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this recording it's not live but it

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out he was his his father was into

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conspiracy theories his whole life he's

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very young he was like 20 when we

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distrustful of the medical industry

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um Doctors Hospitals where they he

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medication of any kind even though his

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daughter had a heart condition she

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wasn't allowed to take her medication

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for it he would call her an addict if he

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she took the medication luckily she

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she was okay but his son had the one

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that we interviewed had severe scoliosis

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believe he was a teenager because his

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refused to take him to hospitals and the

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was that his father forced him to play

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sports which the doctors now believe

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severely disabled so that's that's one

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the hardest ones I think I've had to

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and there both of those speak so much to

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the Harms

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this causes those are those are pretty

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serious Harms

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and do you have any advice for people

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who find themselves in this situation

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with family members or friends who have

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actually gone down this Q Anon rabbit

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hole

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yeah my number one advice is to put

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yourself first because they are not

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going to when people go down this Rabbit

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Hole it becomes their world and they

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will do whatever it takes to hang on to

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these ideas because they're emotionally

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it it fills some kind of a void for them

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and they're emotionally attached to

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these ideas this is not a rational thing

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which is why debating with them is

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useless you have to put your mental

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health first and you cannot be afraid to

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cut things off when it's becoming too

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much for you or even just take a break

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when it's too much for you because you

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only get one life you know and you you

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cannot spend it trying to drag somebody

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out of something that they don't want to

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get out of and I I always tell people

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that

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when it becomes too much what you need

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to do is set boundaries with people with

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your with your cue set the boundary make

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it

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excruciatingly clear what that boundary

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is and what the consequences are if they

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cross it

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make sure they understand that both the

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boundary and the consequences and if

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they cross that boundary follow through

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with the consequences do not hesitate to

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follow through with the consequences

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because if they've if you set that

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boundary tell them about the consequence

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and you don't follow through in their

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mind they think you can be walked all

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over and they will take advantage of

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that so put yourself first set

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boundaries follow through with the

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consequences it's hard though it's very

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hard it's so hard especially when you

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want them to be part of your life you

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know especially when there's

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grandchildren involved Etc like what

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you're talking about it makes yeah it's

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very difficult what good answers is

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there something that people can do or

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what where can they turn to is there a

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place they can go or is are there

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communities out there where you can meet

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and talk about this can you talk to that

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a little bit yeah there's so far there's

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not a whole lot out there um as far as

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resources for for people who are going

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through this outside of regular mental

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health support and stuff like that but

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there is I mentioned the Q Anon casualty

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subreddit on Reddit and they have a

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resources page there which has a number

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of of different places that you can go

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there's lots of books we got to

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interview Mick West yesterday who wrote

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Escaping The Rabbit Hole which is a very

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it was a very helpful book for me yeah

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there's lots of books that are listed on

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the the resources section of the Q Anon

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casualties subreddit that are very very

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helpful in places to go

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well I look forward to hearing Mick West

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because I loved his book as well but it

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probably didn't have the same meaning to

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me as it did to you yeah yeah I was kind

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of reading it in a panic like how do I

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get my parents out of this

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yeah it's a great book I'll look forward

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to that how can people find you and your

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work and of course Richard Saunders will

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be including the links in the show notes

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how can people find you uh well you can

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find the podcast on

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porthosmedia.net slash cue dropped so

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that's past tense dropped not cue drop

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that's a very different thing and of

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course I'm also on Twitter as Godless

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underscore mom and the Q dropped podcast

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is on there as well cue dropped pod

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excellent do you have a Blog as well

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Courtney

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yeah godlessmom.com and I write their

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usually when I have time I'll I'll write

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there I have fun on that one that one's

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more for fun oh that's awesome well

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thank you so much for your time Courtney

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it was a pleasure talking to you and I

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hope we talk again soon

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well that's all for now and just a side

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note for listeners outside of Canada

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Courtney mentioned the CRA in the

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interview which stands for the Canadian

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Revenue Service which is the government

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agency that collects taxes until next

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thank you

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hello this is Maynard did you know that

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you can listen to the skeptic Zone on

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YouTube yes I know sounds crazy but it's

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true

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foreign

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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with Michelle bigasma and funniest

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sketches with Richard Saunders and a

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just click on the YouTube links on the

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[Music]

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I think we need to think

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[Music]

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any skeptic Zone listeners it's Susan

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gerbik over here in Monterey County in

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California California and I'm here with

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a friend of mine who's a local skeptic

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group starter upper and his name is Greg

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Rowe hey Greg hello we're here on the

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skeptic Zone podcast because I know that

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the Skeptics on podcast has listeners

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all around the world including the

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United States not just Australia and I

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just wanted to mention to everybody that

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you know Monterey County Skeptics and

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your group which is called Santa Cruz

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County Skeptics yeah we're right next to

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each other um your start we're going to

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go do one of our first Hangouts together

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can you tell everybody what we're gonna

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go do and when the first place we're

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gonna go to is the Mystery Spot which is

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a tourist place in Santa Cruz that has a

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bunch of optical illusions and supposed

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gravity defying installations that's

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about a 45 minute tour and then we're

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all going to head up to the Bigfoot

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Discovery Museum as Bigfoot is has a lot

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of local Legends around here we're gonna

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head up there it's a very small Museum

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up in Felton the owner's a definite

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believer but we're going to go there and

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just have fun and ask some questions and

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after that we're gonna go uh head down

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back down to Santa Cruz downtown hang

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out and just socialize absolutely I'm

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looking forward to it and I've seen lots

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of people tell me that they're dying to

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go too so it's kind of it's going to be

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a lot of fun this is the first time

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we're gonna try to do something like

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this because Santa Cruz County Skeptics

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have just started right yeah um we only

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had one meeting so far from now on I

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think we're gonna do one social meeting

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a month and probably try to also add in

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maybe some occasional talks yeah see

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what else comes up probably get together

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with Monterey Skeptics a bit more too

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and uh can you tell people where people

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can learn more information about what's

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going on with the Santa Cruz County

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Skeptics

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um yeah so we have a Facebook page this

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if you search for Santa Cruz County

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Skeptics you'll find us and also on

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meetup.com you can also find all the

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events we have going on listed there and

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the date for this uh Bigfoot exhibit and

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of course history spot I don't think we

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told anybody yeah that would be really

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helpful wouldn't it yeah Saturday June

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24th around 1pm we're all going to meet

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a Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz and um you

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can just find all the information on

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either Facebook or meetup.com and I

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believe you just Google Mystery Spot you

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can find out all the information about

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the that place as well yeah I'm really

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looking forward to this and I'm going to

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have bring a Carlo to people with me as

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well as other people from Monterey

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County Skeptics so we're about 45

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minutes apart from each other so you

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know hey people out there if you can't

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come and hang out with us that's sad but

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find a local group in your area there's

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probably something out there you don't

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have to make a fussy bouncy event pick

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something like this just hang out we're

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not going to do anything to confront

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anybody we're not going to do research

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we're just going to have a good time

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socialize have something to eat and

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drink and and just get to know each

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other and have a good time and if there

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isn't a group nearby you then maybe you

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should think about starting one Greg did

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like I did yeah he sure did and so if

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you have questions or you want help on

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starting your group or want to know if

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there's a group nearby you you can find

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out by looking at cfi's website because

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they've been Gathering all sorts of

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names of groups that are affiliated

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together you can also reach out to them

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at Center for inquiry

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.org or you can email them at info at

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Center for inquiry.org

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so I'm looking forward to seeing you and

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all your your peeps over there in Santa

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Cruz County I hope other people join us

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or at least reach out for help if

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they're hoping to join a group or start

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a group or whatever they need to do

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thank you guys

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[Music]

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should how do I get better at telling if

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people are lying it's really simple what

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you need to do it's real well actually

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funny you should ask that because well I

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just want to improve my memory I've got

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this great trip can you make me happier

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okay look for answers to a thousand

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questions about the Incredible World of

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human behavior and the psychology of

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everyday life join me psychologist

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Richard Wiseman and me science

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journalist Marnie chasterton on Richard

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wiseman's on your mind new podcast from

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[Music]

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thank you

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Skookum studios here in Calgary Canada

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and I'm going to read the highlights

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but now let's see what Tim Mendham has

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for us this week

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hi all says Tim

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not a huge amount of news this last

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Fortnight not even a Yuri Geller story

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but if you'd like to see a lot of longer

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discussions and articles then go to our

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Facebook page for all the latest read on

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Tim

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psychic scams in Australia

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social issue worth covering the problems

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of vulnerable people being conned by

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psychics offering to lift curses and I

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say psychics in air quotes however the

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journalists of this piece is known to

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have also given psychics the benefit of

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the doubt see the article in the skeptic

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Vol 41 number three and the suggestion

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that there is no one here in Australia

551
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in childhood immunization rates

552
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vaccine misinformation and reduced

553
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,919
confidence in doctors has caused a drop

554
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:04,799
in childhood immunization rates not

555
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:06,900
dropping a lot thank goodness but any

556
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,480
move away from herd immunity levels is a

557
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,520
concern especially after the heights

558
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,159
achieved during the pandemic I'll give

559
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you one guess which part of Australia

560
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has dropped the most

561
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[Music]

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00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,580
harassing a covid-19 anti-vaxxer

563
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not the best way to present a rational

564
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,340
pro-vaccine argument a Tasmanian pair is

565
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,740
on trial for creating fake social media

566
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:37,020
profiles to harass someone for posting

567
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:40,919
misinformation on coven 19. and yes we

568
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:43,320
are aware that the anti-vaxxers often

569
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:46,200
use dodgy strategies but why sync to

570
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:47,700
their levels

571
00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:51,440
sounds like a bit of a kerfuffle

572
00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:53,480
thank you

573
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,080
naturopaths Dental reflexology

574
00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:59,640
this is a fact check on banned

575
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:02,100
naturopath Barbara O'Neill's curious

576
00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:05,460
claims about so-called tooth meridians

577
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:08,220
and problems in specific teeth that are

578
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:11,580
apparently harming other body parts and

579
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we are keeping an eye on the flood of

580
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her bizarre Health claims appearing on

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thank you

582
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:23,760
nature Falls for autism pseudoscience

583
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:26,760
this is psychologists Stuart vice's

584
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,340
skeptical Inquirer article on the

585
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,919
science journal Nature promoting the

586
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,659
debunked theory of facilitated

587
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,000
communication the headline almost

588
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,580
implies that autism is a pseudoscience

589
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:41,039
but the article is about the debunked

590
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technique to help non-speaking autistic

591
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sufferers to communicate via typing

592
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messages there's more coverage of this

593
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in the coming issue of the skeptic the

594
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skepticon 2023 call for papers the

595
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:02,220
Victorian Skeptics organizers of this

596
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year's Australian Skeptics National

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annual convention or skepticon have put

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out a call for papers skepticon 2023

599
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:10,880
will be held at the brain Center

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00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,860
Melbourne University on December 2nd

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00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,080
through 3rd full details are gradually

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being rolled out on the skepticon

603
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:23,330
the June issue of the skeptic magazine

604
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:25,140
will soon be appearing with a major

605
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report on the legal and financial

606
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,740
goings-on of the anti-vaccination

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00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:31,440
movement it also includes articles on

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00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:33,539
the growth of global medicine as opposed

609
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to Western and Eastern

610
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:37,980
the background of Amazon frog treatments

611
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:40,500
and a look on the Australian Skeptics

612
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:43,080
investigation of racing driver Peter

613
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in the meantime the March issue is out

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and about with a feature that responds

615
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to the regularly raised issue why bother

616
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it is always important to look for

617
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,720
relevance not to rest on any Laurels and

618
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to innovate in delivering the skeptical

619
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,799
message we also look at ways psychics

620
00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:06,720
can fool you a classic look at

621
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,580
confronting Yuri Geller and the

622
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:10,559
controversial career of the most famous

623
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,740
Exorcist of the last 50 years you can

624
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,600
read an article by European Skeptics

625
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:17,760
president Claire klingenberg on the way

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ahead for Skeptics as a sample from the

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March issue

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636
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637
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638
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639
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,720
Skeptics Communications such as the

640
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641
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642
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:58,440
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644
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,860
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645
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646
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647
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648
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649
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,720
Skinwalker documentaries

650
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,000
you may have heard of the U.S skin

651
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:26,159
walker Ranch the location of more

652
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,980
paranormal goings-on and Associated TV

653
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,679
documentaries than any other part of the

654
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:34,380
country this series of videos takes a

655
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,299
long and amusing skeptical look at those

656
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:39,120
claims the link in the newsletter is for

657
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,480
the fifth and almost final part they are

658
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:44,880
fairly long so you may need to put some

659
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:47,880
time aside for a binge viewing the final

660
00:29:54,909 --> 00:29:50,460
final part looks at the ranch owners

661
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,310
are Time Slips a thing of the past

662
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:00,960
we assume the headline for this story is

663
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,720
a touch of ironic humor the question is

664
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,059
are these experiences a result of

665
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,880
psychological factors or do they hint at

666
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:11,039
a more complex understanding of reality

667
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:13,799
this article doesn't say one way or the

668
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:16,440
other although it does include five

669
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:19,799
spooky examples though there might be

670
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,260
some pretty prosaic explanations for

671
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,090
listicle eight obscure paranormal

672
00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:31,200
documentaries

673
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:34,380
these are supposed to quote scare you

674
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:36,779
out of your mind end quote some are

675
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:39,539
interesting some not but the catch here

676
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:42,600
is you have to pay to view them and that

677
00:30:48,370 --> 00:30:45,380
might be why they're obscure

678
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:48,380
silly story of the week

679
00:30:53,150 --> 00:30:52,500
three zodiac signs who can see dead

680
00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:53,160
people

681
00:30:57,850 --> 00:30:54,860
[Music]

682
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:57,860
okay let's see what this is about

683
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,600
there's a bit of paranormal cross

684
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,120
pollination here to save you wading

685
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:06,000
through it if your Gemini Scorpio or

686
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:09,299
Pisces then you've got the gift if

687
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,159
you're one of the 10 others then you

688
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,140
have to satisfy yourself with talking

689
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:15,240
only with the living

690
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,159
I guess that's why I never talked to the

691
00:31:23,409 --> 00:31:18,559
dad

692
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,990
and that wraps up the latest news but

693
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,279
before I bid you farewell this week's

694
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:32,640
Canadian word of the week is kerfuffle

695
00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:34,760
or kerfuffle

696
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:42,430
k-e-r-f-u-f-f-l-e or

697
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:45,240
k-a-f-u-f-f-l-e this delightful term is

698
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:46,980
believed to have its origin in the

699
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:48,899
Scottish word kerfuffle and that's

700
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:52,080
spelled c-u-r-f-u-f-f-l-e

701
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,159
according to edemonline.com kerfuffle

702
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:58,919
has been making waves ever since 1970

703
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:02,399
and the word signifies a commotion or

704
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,480
disturbance

705
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,720
and interestingly kaphaful shares the

706
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,580
same definition and appears to have an

707
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:10,679
earlier lineage which dates back to

708
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:12,539
1946.

709
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:15,179
interestingly not only is this word used

710
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:17,580
a lot in Canada but there's a game

711
00:32:23,230 --> 00:32:19,980
called kerfuffle that Richard Saunders

712
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,240
just might enjoy each person gets 25

713
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:25,980
six-sided dice to roll and strategically

714
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,720
play on a board

715
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:30,240
there's also a lot of books available in

716
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:32,039
Canada with kerfuffle in the title

717
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:34,500
ranging from a Christian romance called

718
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,159
Christmas car kerfuffle to my favorite a

719
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,440
children's book called stink bomb and

720
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,360
ketchup face and the great kerfuffle

721
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,100
Christmas kidnap

722
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,740
and of course I turned to my friend chat

723
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,200
GPT and asked it to use kerfuffle in a

724
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:52,320
sentence I typed quote I'm Canadian and

725
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,940
want to use kerfuffle in a funny

726
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,640
sentence end quote and the skukum

727
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,000
psychic Seer said quote during the

728
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,220
annual maple syrup chugging contest

729
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,799
there was a kerfuffle when two overly

730
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:07,020
polite Canadians accidentally bumped

731
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:09,720
into each other causing a sticky mess of

732
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:13,620
syrup and apologies end quote until next

733
00:33:19,019 --> 00:33:22,250
foreign

734
00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:34,750
[Music]

735
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:37,549
.com and get lots of free stuff there as

736
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:46,360
[Music]

737
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:00,649
now it's time once again to go back to

738
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:04,460
those pages at Trove at

739
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:06,360
trove.nla.gov.eu the online resource

740
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:08,460
from the Australian government and the

741
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:11,960
National Library of Australia

742
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:14,879
and in keeping with our

743
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:17,700
habit of looking for strange and unusual

744
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,580
things to do with the Paranormal the the

745
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:24,480
unknown I came across this story

746
00:34:33,369 --> 00:34:28,580
dated the 17th of September

747
00:34:36,849 --> 00:34:33,379
1938 from the Mercury Hobart Tasmania

748
00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:36,859
medicine and magic in India

749
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:47,230
[Music]

750
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,119
a fakia who can Wilt a plant by looking

751
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:53,760
at it a yogi who lives alone with a

752
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:57,300
full-grown lion a hunter who heals a

753
00:35:01,890 --> 00:34:59,880
jungle animal's broken bones by wrapping

754
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,900
leaves about them these

755
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:03,119
[Music]

756
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:05,820
are everyday Marvels are told in this

757
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:09,420
story of India where mysticism has

758
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:12,359
always put materialism in secondary

759
00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:22,790
every now and then some story of the

760
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:25,079
weird and the wonderful flashes in the

761
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:25,920
Press

762
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:29,339
a yogi is buried and after a week is dug

763
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:32,760
up alive a man sleeps on a bed of spikes

764
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:35,640
of course we know that as the the bit of

765
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:36,420
nails

766
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:41,280
a family grows 300 miles as a Penance a

767
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:43,560
child recalls incidents of a previous

768
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:44,820
birth

769
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:46,980
a widow throws herself on the funeral

770
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,880
pyre of her husband and so on and so

771
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,020
forth

772
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,200
the average reader dismisses these and

773
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,720
Other Stories with a shrug of the

774
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:00,240
shoulders but he does not quite forget

775
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:04,200
them for the Indian visitor abroad is

776
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:07,320
very often asked the question is this

777
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,660
that or the other

778
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:12,240
fact or fiction my answer to these

779
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:15,300
questions is that sometimes these

780
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,040
stories are gobbled or written up or

781
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:22,020
insufficiently authenticated that the

782
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:25,920
most unbelievable of them may however be

783
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:29,820
accurate but that in no country of the

784
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:32,339
world does the professional charlatan

785
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,060
and the humbug flourish so much as in

786
00:36:42,190 --> 00:36:38,940
India add to that the Proviso that the

787
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:42,200
age of Miracles is by no means dead

788
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:45,420
things do happen everywhere which cannot

789
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:48,359
be explained by rule of three

790
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:51,960
and that perhaps in an old country like

791
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,420
India steeped in mysticism where the

792
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:57,300
material has always been given but a

793
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,700
secondary place in life and where

794
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:02,400
austerities and modifications have for

795
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,060
centuries been exalted the unexplainable

796
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,359
turns up a little more often than it

797
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:11,359
does elsewhere

798
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:13,320
superhuman powers

799
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:15,780
I can tell you for example that I have

800
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:19,440
seen an Indian Yogi Wilt a plant by just

801
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:20,700
looking at it

802
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:23,940
and I have met another who lives in a

803
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:26,579
cave with a full-grown lion

804
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:29,880
that fire walking in some Villages is a

805
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:33,359
regular festival and that I was bored

806
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:36,780
watching a man who was monotonously

807
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:40,859
swallowing Nails glass and stones and

808
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:44,160
washing it all down with nitric acid

809
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:47,160
but these things wonderful as they may

810
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:51,060
be of no immediate significance to you

811
00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:54,800
and me and it is another kind of Miracle

812
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,440
drawn so that it may be fully and

813
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,200
scientifically investigated

814
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:03,119
during the past summer I was driving

815
00:38:09,130 --> 00:38:06,180
through a village of South India when a

816
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,140
tire was punctured and a small crowd

817
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,180
collected around the car to help and

818
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:15,119
watch presently a boy came running up

819
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,599
shouting that someone had been bitten by

820
00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:19,680
a snake

821
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,260
one two of the crowd ran to fetch

822
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,300
someone but the others continued

823
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:27,240
watching my efforts to my comment on

824
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:29,940
what appeared to be their indifference

825
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:33,480
they answered oh that is all right sir

826
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:35,880
the old man in the village will fix it

827
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:39,359
and sure enough he did with some sort of

828
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:43,140
white powder which he smeared on the

829
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:46,740
wound and the lips they told me it has

830
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:50,160
never been known to fail and that cures

831
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,420
were affected even at the stage where

832
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:57,780
the victim of the cobra bite turns blue

833
00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,900
and is foaming at the mouth and gasping

834
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:02,339
for breath

835
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,099
the secret of the powder was the

836
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:07,980
jealously guarded Heritage of the old

837
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:10,619
man and his family

838
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,339
long distance cures in a significantly

839
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:16,859
different category but also crying out

840
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,280
for investigation is the case of the

841
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:22,619
station master who Nots a piece of

842
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:25,619
thread on a tree when he is told of the

843
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:28,980
time and the place of a snake bite with

844
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:31,859
the result that the victim it may be

845
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:34,619
hundreds of miles away recovers

846
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,700
immediately so great is the faith in and

847
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:41,520
so many are the reputable Witnesses who

848
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,700
have testified to this miracle cure that

849
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:46,859
the government has widely notified the

850
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:50,099
name of the station master and telegrams

851
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:52,920
him giving the time and place of a snake

852
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:53,700
bite

853
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:57,240
are transfree by the Indian post office

854
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:00,060
as wide is the faith in a certain cure

855
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:03,780
for that dangerous malady liver and

856
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,800
spleen expansion in children affected by

857
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:11,040
a poorly educated man who has inherited

858
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:14,339
The Secret of a powder which has saved

859
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:18,180
many children including my own and which

860
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,380
in Madras British and Indian doctors

861
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:24,720
invariably recommend a little less known

862
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:27,480
but nevertheless authenticated to my

863
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,359
knowledge by several reputable Witnesses

864
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:33,839
are cures for a whole host of diseases

865
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:37,680
by a system of massage and anointing

866
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:40,320
with oil practiced by certain families

867
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,740
in Malabar

868
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:45,599
native bone setter

869
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:48,420
I will conclude this list of examples

870
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,900
which could be lengthened to many pages

871
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:54,720
with the remarkable one of the bone

872
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:57,960
Setter of puta I think that's pronounced

873
00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:01,140
about a hundred miles from Madras the

874
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:04,500
man is illiterate lives in a humble

875
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:07,980
Cottage and refuses to take any fee for

876
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,980
his services but to him accredited

877
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:13,920
miracles of healing patients are sent to

878
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,260
him from the government hospitals manned

879
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:18,960
by eminent surgeons cases of broken

880
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,339
bones so terrible that amputation or the

881
00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:25,920
puta vedia I'm not sure what that is

882
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,579
were the only Alternatives the engineer

883
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:32,880
for instance who was superintending the

884
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,359
construction of a railway bridge fell to

885
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:38,520
the rocky bed of a river and smashed his

886
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:42,359
thigh and arm bones was taken in the

887
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:45,260
hospital ambulance to this illiterate

888
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:48,900
ex-barber of puta and within a month

889
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,040
reported himself for executive Duty

890
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,440
the secret of the man is an uncanny gift

891
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:58,560
for bone setting he has never looked

892
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,500
into a book of anatomy and a vegetable

893
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:04,079
oil which he keeps pouring on the

894
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,660
bandage his story is that he discovered

895
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:09,839
the herb from which he extracts the oil

896
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:12,839
by accident when hunting in the nearby

897
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:16,260
jungle he wrapped up a deer in the

898
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,740
leaves and found on his return home that

899
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,619
all its broken bones had set again the

900
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:24,839
ex-barber continues to live in his Hut

901
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:28,260
and has hitherto refused all offers of

902
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,500
money for his services but he will not

903
00:42:37,630 --> 00:42:33,900
reveal the secret because he believes

904
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,640
that the magic will disappear

905
00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:40,020
inherited secrets

906
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:42,320
but surely there must be a way of

907
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:45,920
enlightening him some other inducement

908
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,280
which may make him yield the secret

909
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:52,140
dozens of Miracles like these still

910
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:55,320
survive in India and every Indian and

911
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:58,500
many britishers who have toured in the

912
00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:01,260
districts and Villages can furnish other

913
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:02,819
such examples

914
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:06,240
but these obscure recipes are fast dying

915
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:09,000
out their formula are usually handed

916
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:12,359
down in code from father to son but

917
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,460
sometime or rather the secret is lost

918
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:17,160
and it may be ages before the world

919
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:19,980
rediscovers it the English educated

920
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:22,260
children of these men too readily scoff

921
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:25,619
at such remedies as old-fashioned and

922
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:28,680
because some of them are just quackeries

923
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:31,560
will tar the whole lot with the same

924
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:32,760
brush

925
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,540
it would be well worth the while of the

926
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:39,839
more advanced world to collect and sift

927
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:43,020
all such information from India and to

928
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,180
organize scientific investigation of

929
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:47,220
some of these miracles

930
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:49,940
for out of such research May flow

931
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:54,000
incalculable benefit to humanity

932
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:55,740
now I sent that report off to my friend

933
00:44:02,030 --> 00:43:59,040
Abhijit Chanda in India

934
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:02,040
and I think in the future episode of the

935
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:03,900
skeptic Zone I might chat to Abhijit

936
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:07,140
about the uh the so-called God men of

937
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:08,040
India

938
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:14,099
story about snake charming now there are

939
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:16,140
two types of snake charming there's the

940
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,079
one that you may be familiar with where

941
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:22,079
the Snake Charmer plays a tune on a pipe

942
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:25,859
and the snake appears from a basket and

943
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:28,980
seems to follow the music or the pipe it

944
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:30,540
appears the snake is really following

945
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,839
the movement rather than the sound

946
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:35,640
and another

947
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:39,060
area of snake charming are people who

948
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,819
find snakes and I think this is what

949
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:44,880
this report refers to and this is from

950
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:48,660
the southern Argus from South Australia

951
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:52,020
dated the 6th of September

952
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:53,720
1872.

953
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:55,260
[Music]

954
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,859
snake charming The Madras male gives an

955
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:01,440
interesting account of the whole art and

956
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:03,480
mystery of snake charming

957
00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:06,900
we have long felt convinced that the

958
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:09,780
whole process of snake catching by

959
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,540
professional Chalmers as ordinarily

960
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:14,880
witnessed by English Spectators in India

961
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,000
was a clever piece of jugglery

962
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,079
we therefore determine not long ago to

963
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:24,960
examine the operation impartially but

964
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:29,099
strictly and with this view we organized

965
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:30,900
a party of critics

966
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,200
two snake charms were sent for and on

967
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,260
their assuring us that the appearance of

968
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:40,140
our garden indicated the presence of

969
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:41,460
snakes

970
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,280
permission was given for them to charm

971
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:47,160
our reptiles out of their holes

972
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:50,700
one of the men set to work and in a few

973
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,579
minutes his face lightened up with this

974
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,680
satisfaction of success

975
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,839
he had discovered a snake the party

976
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:00,240
would call around and Shone the snake in

977
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:04,260
the hole as Theodore hook persuaded a

978
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:06,540
London mob that the lions in

979
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:10,260
Northumberland house wagged their tails

980
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:13,740
I wonder what that story is so did this

981
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:16,859
man by determined azervation makes some

982
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,040
of us believe that we actually saw the

983
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:23,520
snake in its hole being satisfied that

984
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:26,339
the snake was there the charmer was told

985
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,480
to proceed in an instant he seized the

986
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,119
snake pulled it out of the hole and

987
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:35,520
threw it on the ground nothing could

988
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:37,619
have been more convincing for having

989
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:40,800
watched the man most closely we were all

990
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,260
confident that the snake had not been

991
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,560
let loose in the first instance the

992
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:48,900
Charmers were directed to make another

993
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,680
search before commencing the men were

994
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,619
examined their clothes and turbans were

995
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,800
opened and shaken but on requesting to

996
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,839
be allowed to wear them as protection

997
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,839
against the attacks they were permitted

998
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:06,720
to resume their clothing they smiled at

999
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:10,140
our incredulity and asserted that to

1000
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,160
prove they were Not Mere jugglers they

1001
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:16,500
would catch more snakes which of course

1002
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:17,700
they did

1003
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,440
skepticism however still had its doubts

1004
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:23,339
notwithstanding the clear evidence

1005
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:26,520
presented to the site another trial was

1006
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,400
made and when one of the Chalmers was

1007
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:32,160
some little distance from his basket he

1008
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,099
was rushed upon and seized by the

1009
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:37,680
Skeptics who wanted to examine his

1010
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:40,560
clothing with their own hands the Rogue

1011
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,560
cried for mercy and begged to be spared

1012
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:45,720
the humiliation of being forcibly

1013
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,260
stripped No Quarter was the reply he was

1014
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:51,839
met with then he confessed that his

1015
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:54,839
trade was deception and that he would

1016
00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:58,740
show us before our very eyes how he

1017
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:01,380
caught snakes a complete circle being

1018
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:04,440
formed around having just sufficient

1019
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:07,619
room for him to swing his arm in he

1020
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,500
produced from The Mists of us a huge

1021
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:13,140
Cobra seven feet long

1022
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:16,020
skepticism was triumphant and the much

1023
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,500
injured charmer looked as most Impostors

1024
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:21,900
do when their tricks are discovered the

1025
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,060
plan of operation was then explained to

1026
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:27,119
us snakes having had their fangs

1027
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:31,380
extracted are put into separate bags and

1028
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:34,680
the mouth closed by a slip knot this bag

1029
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:36,780
is then fastened to a string which all

1030
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:39,420
natives wear around the wrist with the

1031
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:42,900
mouth downwards the charmer swoops down

1032
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:46,319
and sweeps up bits of grass and Earth

1033
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:49,560
with the right hand and simultaneously

1034
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:52,260
the slip knot is drawn by the left hand

1035
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:55,020
into the palm of which the snake

1036
00:48:59,450 --> 00:48:56,700
naturally drops

1037
00:49:02,930 --> 00:48:59,460
the right hand is brought up with the

1038
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:02,940
swoop and meets the left from which the

1039
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:06,960
snake is passed into the right which

1040
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:09,720
then flourishes the reptile in the face

1041
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:13,260
of the terrified but admiring spectators

1042
00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:15,480
that must have been quite a sight

1043
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:17,819
to make sure that this in itself was not

1044
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:20,460
an imposter the man's basket was

1045
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:24,660
examined and between the top and a cloth

1046
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:27,180
Loosely thrown over it where several

1047
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:31,740
bags tied up with snakes in them wishing

1048
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:33,740
to assure ourselves still further

1049
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,420
whether this was the usual plan of

1050
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,000
deception followed by these people some

1051
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,339
other snake Charmers were sent for and

1052
00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:44,280
their baskets being suddenly seized and

1053
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,540
examined were found to have on the top

1054
00:49:53,570 --> 00:49:50,880
seven or eight bags with a different

1055
00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:53,580
kinds of snakes in them

1056
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:57,500
[Music]

1057
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:01,800
not so Charming snake Charmers way back

1058
00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:09,490
[Music]

1059
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:12,260
and when you visit Trove at

1060
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:15,240
trove.nla.gov dot a u you never know

1061
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:34,910
[Music]

1062
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:36,589
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1063
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:38,700
Zone podcast coming up on next week's

1064
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,640
show we might take a look at this recent

1065
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:43,040
NASA

1066
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:46,560
UFO oh don't say UFO anymore UAP

1067
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:48,420
press conference

1068
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,040
and uh

1069
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,319
are there aliens visiting Earth

1070
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,380
I don't think even NASA thinks so we'll

1071
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:57,780
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1072
00:51:01,450 --> 00:50:59,880
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1073
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,460
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1074
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:04,640
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1075
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:08,040
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1076
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:10,500
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1077
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,359
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1078
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:15,059
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1079
00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:22,010
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1080
00:51:28,930 --> 00:51:26,660
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1081
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:28,940
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1082
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1083
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1084
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:37,559
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1085
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1086
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1087
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1088
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1090
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1091
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:55,440
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1092
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:57,540
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1093
00:52:05,089 --> 00:51:59,880
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ER

1096
00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:23,940
wow I didn't know it was your good buddy

1097
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:26,220
and we're about to play the dice game

1098
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,339
yeah I know this is the highlight of the

1099
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:32,400
whole podcast that whole day it's

1100
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,339
Brighton now outside okay

1101
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:36,960
you are

1102
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:45,000
your psychic powers anybody has I know

1103
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:47,579
if anybody has psychic powers it is you

1104
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:51,180
that is true that is true so I I have a

1105
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,859
six-sided dice right here I'm showing it

1106
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,300
to you see they're all the numbers are

1107
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:56,819
different yeah see okay all right so I'm

1108
00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:58,920
Gonna Roll it I'm Gonna Roll it three

1109
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:01,020
times and I'm going to predict the

1110
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:02,460
number you're going to predict a number

1111
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:04,440
yes you are going to predict a number so

1112
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:08,460
from one to six it includes one and six

1113
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:10,440
so one two three four five six okay I

1114
00:53:16,270 --> 00:53:12,420
have it you have it yeah well say it out

1115
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:16,280
loud three okay so here we go first roll

1116
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:19,940
it's a six it's only a half a half white

1117
00:53:23,650 --> 00:53:22,440
right okay well now do you want to pick

1118
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:23,660
a different number for this next one

1119
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:25,859
same number

1120
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:29,590
here it goes ready second roll

1121
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:31,319
[Music]

1122
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,319
five five that's my number

1123
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:36,359
well you didn't say anything well

1124
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:37,980
everybody listening knows I always

1125
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,700
choose five okay but but sorry but

1126
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:43,440
anyway so I have one more you have one

1127
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:45,720
more chance Mark now you are

1128
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,140
the person who should be able to do this

1129
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:50,880
do you want to do this I wouldn't be

1130
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:52,740
talking to you right now

1131
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,300
what would you be doing right now if you

1132
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:55,920
could predict the roll of a die in Las

1133
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:59,520
Vegas oh of course

1134
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,140
here do you want to blow in the dye or

1135
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,440
something or do you have some magic

1136
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:06,480
the female does it yes

1137
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:09,000
okay three okay

1138
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:17,329
it's a five where you win I had two

1139
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,020
fives oh my gosh I'm so sorry Mark you

1140
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:24,240
didn't get your three it just shows you

1141
00:54:28,809 --> 00:54:26,280
that psychics you can't depend on them

1142
00:54:31,809 --> 00:54:28,819
isn't that the whole point yeah I know

1143
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:31,819
all right everybody so the roles were

1144
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:36,420
six five five all big numbers let's go